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Proposed IKGH General Meeting

in Ausstellungen 06.08.2017 14:53
von franzpeter | 8.079 Beiträge

Hi Steve,
I disagree. The IKGH is not overdue a face to face meeting. This meeting shall
take place every 5 years. In 2009 we had one in Hasselt, in 2014 we had the last
one in Bielsko-Biala. So we should have the next one in the autumn of 2019.
Unless there is a majority wanting to have one earlier.
Kind guppy regards,
Eddy

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Subject: Proposed IKGH General Meeting






The IKGH is overdue a face to face meeting with all of the members.

I am sure that no one will disagree with this.

I consider that between the end of November 2017 and the end of March 2018 to be
the correct time (although we must also consider the weather for travelling)

I would like to arrange a meeting that is convenient for the majority of clubs to
be able to attend. We must agree a date and a venue.

I would be happy to arrange and host a meeting in the UK but I suspect that it
would not be a convenient place to get to for the majority of clubs.

I am therefore looking for suggestions and or volunteer host clubs to arrange a
suitable meeting room and sufficient accommodation at a reasonable cost.

I suggest that each member club should be limited to two representatives, plus a
translator if one is required. The meeting will be organised and recorded in the
English language. Each club will be responsible to cover its own members costs
(there will be no contribution from the IKGH).

I would also suggest that each club begins to discuss with its own members and
make a list any items or issues that you think should be included on the agenda.
I will let you know when this list should be presented to me. The rules state
that proposals for items to be included on the agenda should be conveyed to the
IKGH 4 months before the meeting.

I will consider all proposals for a meeting location, date and host that are
received on or before Sunday 20th August 2017.



Thank you



Steve Elliott

IKGH President


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RE: Proposed IKGH General Meeting

in Ausstellungen 09.08.2017 07:44
von franzpeter | 8.079 Beiträge

Hello Bodo, thank you for your message.



I do not regard it as an extraordinary meeting, just a 'normal' meeting. I am
aware that meeting normally require 9 months notice with 4 months notice of
agenda and then the formal invitation and information given to each club 3 months
before the meeting. That is what the rules state.



There are several issues that need to be discussed by the membership and whilst
it could be done item by item via the internet there would be an advantage to
discuss and deal with them in person.



The first item is for voting for for the inclusion of the halfmoon standard or
not, and this will be done in any case this year, in time for use in next years
competition if relevant.



Other issues include general housekeeping of the rules, the training / education
of judges, the inclusion of none European members in the European Championships
and also revision of the rules regarding none complience of the IHS and other
cheating. Each of these items is contentious and complicated and would be more
easily discussed in a meeting. I am sure that members will have additional items
that would deserve attention.



If there is no apetite for a meeting then we can discuss each issue item by item
by email but many will not be resolved in time for the 2018 competition.



Thanking you.



Steve Elliott

IKGH President



Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 at 12:08 PM
From: "Bodo Sikora"
To: "Stephen Elliott" , "smiga.lubomir@gmail.com"
, "cristian.salogni@libero.it"
, "guppyclubbelgium@hotmail.com"
, "druck@magoschitz.de" ,
"elefant@postkasse.com" , "krzysztof.kelman@zoo.plock.pl"
, "akguppy@dglz.de" ,
"info@dglz.de" , "nloch@gmx.net" ,
"mimi@mildeverlag.at" , "tobiasbernsee@web.de"
, "twtgpa@gmail.com" ,
"b.sikora@grandcitymanagement.com" ,
"casadiguppy@live.nl" , "rene.a.wolff@gmx.de"
, "billg@uk.ibm.com" ,
"ozkbaris@yahoo.com" , "guppyjie@hotmail.com"
, "awajukkrzysiek@wp.pl" ,
"joernstrahl@gmail.com" , "jens.bergner@guppyfreunde.de"
, "1354491103@qq.com" <1354491103@qq.com>,
"bjorn.lundmark@spray.se" , "info@mariobertocco.it"
, "gkdn@aol.de" , "barbe.denis@orange.fr"
, "jan.budai1@gmail.com" ,
"oziomekj@op.pl" , "ptat94@gmail.com" ,
"pierkoi@alice.it" , "toist@akvariummagazin.hu"
, "peter@schaffarth.de" ,
"dany.schroeder@gmx.de" , "klaproehl@gmx.de"
, "fabienliberge@orange.fr" ,
"anne-lene@privat.dk" , "dlwind@163.com" ,
"cgdcwilliam@outlook.com" , "simeonbonev@hotmail.com"
, "swamoris@gmail.com" ,
"info@oegg.net" , "direzioneggc@gmail.com"
, "fischipeter.pe@gmail.com" ,
"mstieranka@stonline.sk" ,
"rainer.hartwich@googlemail.com" ,
"hwgc98@gmail.com" , "eddie.mcknight@nshi.co.uk"

Cc: "Bodo Sikora"
Subject: AW: Proposed IKGH General Meeting


Hi Stephen,

I would highly appreciate if you could give us some reasons why you think that an
extraordinary meeting should take place.

Not everybody is that deep in the facts and matters, like you are.

And if we all know the facts, we should ask all the members if they agree for a
meeting or disagree.

Kind regards from Berlin

Bodo

Vice president DGF




Von: Stephen Elliott [mailto:IKGH.President@europe.com]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. August 2017 10:52
An: smiga.lubomir@gmail.com; cristian.salogni@libero.it;
guppyclubbelgium@hotmail.com; druck@magoschitz.de; elefant@postkasse.com;
krzysztof.kelman@zoo.plock.pl; akguppy@dglz.de; Bodo Sikora; info@dglz.de;
nloch@gmx.net; mimi@mildeverlag.at; tobiasbernsee@web.de; twtgpa@gmail.com;
b.sikora@grandcitymanagement.com; casadiguppy@live.nl; rene.a.wolff@gmx.de;
billg@uk.ibm.com; ozkbaris@yahoo.com; guppyjie@hotmail.com; awajukkrzysiek@wp.pl;
joernstrahl@gmail.com; jens.bergner@guppyfreunde.de; 1354491103@qq.com;
bjorn.lundmark@spray.se; info@mariobertocco.it; gkdn@aol.de;
barbe.denis@orange.fr; jan.budai1@gmail.com; oziomekj@op.pl; ptat94@gmail.com;
pierkoi@alice.it; toist@akvariummagazin.hu; peter@schaffarth.de;
dany.schroeder@gmx.de; klaproehl@gmx.de; fabienliberge@orange.fr;
anne-lene@privat.dk; dlwind@163.com; cgdcwilliam@outlook.com;
simeonbonev@hotmail.com; swamoris@gmail.com; info@oegg.net;
direzioneggc@gmail.com; IKGH.President@europe.com; fischipeter.pe@gmail.com;
mstieranka@stonline.sk; rainer.hartwich@googlemail.com; hwgc98@gmail.com;
eddie.mcknight@nshi.co.uk
Betreff: Proposed IKGH General Meeting









The IKGH is overdue a face to face meeting with all of the members.

I am sure that no one will disagree with this.

I consider that between the end of November 2017 and the end of March 2018 to be
the correct time (although we must also consider the weather for travelling)

I would like to arrange a meeting that is convenient for the majority of clubs to
be able to attend. We must agree a date and a venue.

I would be happy to arrange and host a meeting in the UK but I suspect that it
would not be a convenient place to get to for the majority of clubs.

I am therefore looking for suggestions and or volunteer host clubs to arrange a
suitable meeting room and sufficient accommodation at a reasonable cost.

I suggest that each member club should be limited to two representatives, plus a
translator if one is required. The meeting will be organised and recorded in the
English language. Each club will be responsible to cover its own members costs
(there will be no contribution from the IKGH).

I would also suggest that each club begins to discuss with its own members and
make a list any items or issues that you think should be included on the agenda.
I will let you know when this list should be presented to me. The rules state
that proposals for items to be included on the agenda should be conveyed to the
IKGH 4 months before the meeting.

I will consider all proposals for a meeting location, date and host that are
received on or before Sunday 20th August 2017.



Thank you



Steve Elliott

IKGH President


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