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AW: IKGH Communication Harro Hieronimus/DGLZ

in Ausstellungen 08.09.2019 16:33
von franzpeter | 9.686 Beiträge

Dear Tomasz and all other recipients,



please do not correspond in this way.



1. It is not compatible with EC data protection laws to include all addresses
into the email header. This mail is sent to you as sender and bcc to all others.

2. This seems to be a dispute more on a personal level. Please keep it in the
smallest possible manner.

3. I know Steven for many years. He is a very honest guy and I appreciate his
work. Do you remember the IKGH work before Steven started as president? No?
That’s why there was not much. There were a few – good – shows in Europe
and the WGC started but it was not really sustainable. The IKGH head surely did
his best but it was very small scale work. With Steven IKGH became much more
important for the guppy hobby and you should not ask him to retire as president
as this would damage IKGH seriously but you should make reasonable proposals to
solve the dispute.

4. Personally, I think the November meeting in Nürnberg should not be a problem.
How many of the possible attendants will go to China? And I already wrote that
the hotel prices are normal at that weekend, no fair prices at all like for
interzoo fair.



Regards Harro



Betreff: Re: IKGH Communication



Dear Steven, Dear Friends



I would like to remind Steven that you are not the owner of IKGH or King of IKGH,
but only the President, whose role should be to coordinate the work of the union.



>From the content of your message below we have learned that you are not able to
>fulfil the duties of the President, because you are not able to talk to IKGH
>members? Sad. Your words about Bill indicate that you do not feel like doing
>such work and you will not do work for all clubs, and do I understand correctly
>that we should accept this as resignation from work for all clubs, i.e. IKGH
>President? Since when, since the announcement of unwillingness to work for all
>members? So immediately?



I fully support Bill's efforts to help organize IKGH. I see such a need and I am
not satisfied with how the IKGH administration works today. Our club is also
overlooked by the President in IKGH correspondence and after calls from
colleagues from other clubs I know that our club is not the only one.



The local British conflict created by Steven in England at the time of the
creation of President Guppy Club you want to transfer to the entire IKGH - no
thanks. Be a PGC President but don't manipulate us with your own conflicts using
IKGH power.



After the last scandal as a result of which Steven Elliot proclaimed himself the
President of IKGH, I remind you that as convening meeting in Slovakia in Banská
Bystrica, Steven did not inform the participants of the meeting about the attempt
to elect himself and as the leader of the meeting, he did not inform the
participants about the vote on who should administer IKGH, and then he personally
acknowledged himself the position of IKGH President, despite the participants'
objection to this way of conducting meetings. A correction was to be introduced
at IKGH to prevent colleague Steven Elliot from manipulating subsequent topics
related to the administration of IKGH and ... it turns out that the situation
from the last meeting was no accident and colleague Steven Elliot still sends
invitations to IKGH meetings only to a group of common interests.



I remind you, during the last IKGH meeting in Slovakia in Banská Bystrica, we
agreed that it will never happen again that IKGH meetings will be convened
secretly by the President of IKGH, without information for anyone who is the
recipient of the message in a manipulative manner. Steven Elliot has committed
that all correspondence addressed to IKGH members will cease to be manipulated,
concealed and become open and transparent to all members. To date, this has not
been done - the information is still being manipulated and serves the policy of
the President of IKGH. For what?



I consider Bill's efforts to introduce transparent and honest IKGH conduct to be
very necessary and right. I perceive the attacks on his person and the desire to
depreciate these efforts as a political struggle to stay in the position of the
President of IKGH. Sad.



We currently have 45 associated clubs at IKGH, why were they not all informed
about the date of the next meeting? How many were informed? What a shame that we
can not trust in such a simple thing as managing corespondence of IKGH. What is
the problem to be TRANSPARENT?



As for mourning, each of us is sad that Peter is missing, I have repeatedly
witnessed Peter defending the hurt members of IKGH but he failed to act because
the fraudsters were on the side of Steven Elliot and guilty behaviour such as
breaking IKGH rules stigmatized by Peter, were accepted by Steven. We will miss
Peter very much, but he would probably be very happy if we were able to reform
IKGH not after a few years of mourning.



I do not understand this attitude of the President of IKGH and the manifestation
of his aggression (something like this should never happen in public space and
people who have managerial experience know it well). Unfortunately, Steven had no
way to learn about it because for the first time in his life he has the ability
to manage and does not use the power GIVEN BY US to defend members of IKGH but to
manipulate, eliminate others and pursue his interests.



What Bill asks for, Steven is the foundation of IKGH. Organizing meetings of
members and voting at a time when another club affiliated with IKGH organizes its
competition, knowing that IKGH members and IKGH judges will participate in it,
shows the lack of competence of the President or his bad will? I am talking about
the WORLD'S LARGEST AQUARISTIC show CIPS, which brings together the greatest
interests of the aquarium world 100,000 participants. If anyone does not know
about this event should he be our leader? Would the competent President organize
a meeting during another event?



The IKGH meeting we agreed to make in Spring 2019, it does not have to take place
in November 😊))))))))) from another side is the only date when Bill leaves
Europe for CIPS 😊))))). You will understand it yourself, because during this
meeting Steven will probably remember about the election 😊))))).



Together with Steven's Presidency, we do not have one IKGH but a relationship for
those who do business with the President and are on the correspondence list and
the lower caste to which no messages are sent and such persons have no voice in
this relationship and when they ask about the facts, a hatred campaign meets them
including the comment Bill met. Bill did nothing wrong!



Steven - what can we expect first, to apologize to Bill in public? or will you
resign from the function of IKGH President, which requires working properly with
all clubs and members?



Kind regards,

Tomasz Czyz



Ps. I hope that all IKGH clubs are included in corespondence, if not, please help
distrbute it to missing friends.



czw., 5 wrz 2019 o 07:09 <mailto:president@ikgh.net> > napisał(a):

This message is addressed to all members of the IKGH and to Fancy Guppies UK, the
club of Bill Galbally and several of its prominent members.



First of all I apologise to everyone for the need of this message following the
unacceptable behaviour of Bill Galbally. This is a guppy hobby and not one
hobbyist deserves to be receiving unsolicited misinformation and messages,
especially at this time of mourning. I am compelled to clarify the situation
regarding emails sent by Bill Galbally which some of you received. I am sorry
that this message is long but it is the only way to explain.



There was a meeting last year in Slovakia to discuss and agree the rules of the
IKGH. There were several items that we did not have time to deal with properly,
mostly proposals for changes to the judging standards including, colour coding,
the allocation of EC status and the training and education of judges. It was
agreed that we would have a second meeting in the spring time but too many were
not able to attend so it was decided that we would re arrange the discussion /
workshop this coming November.

The meeting is based upon those who attended the first meeting and some who
showed particular interest. It is not intended as being open to all – a
relatively smaller group would afford proper and true discussion which is not
practical in a larger meeting. A message was sent out on the 21st August 2019
asking for confirmation of those who would be able to attend. It was requested
that a reply be received by the 27th August. Most are willing and able to
attend. There were one or two that did not respond and so I have been re
contacting them to obtain a reply. This included Bill Galbally who then informed
me of the show in China that takes place at the same time. I immediately
contacted the organiser with apologies which were graciously accepted.



On the 27th of August 2019 I had a conversation via email with Bill Galbally
regarding the matter. Bill wants the whole event re organised so that he is able
to attend. This is not possible. He has no consideration for the availability
of others. What I find extremely disappointing, and clearly motivated with the
intention of causing trouble, is that the conversation was sent by blind copy (ie
without my knowledge), as it proceeded, to a select list that includes some IKGH
members and not other IKGH Members, to none IKGH members, and private individuals
who Bill Galbally presumably thought would support his rampage.



Normally I have dealt with problems in a diplomatic and none confrontational way
that has not involved those who do not want to be concerned, however on this
occasion an explanation to all is necessary.

I note that my final message in the conversation was not relayed as the previous
messages were and so here is my final message for those who are interested.



Hello Bill.

The date is organised and will not change. The meeting room is available and has
been booked. A reasonable price has been agreed with the hotel if people want to
take advantage. I for one will not be able to attend another weekend in
November.

Bill, there is no debate, the date is set and will not change, not even for one
person. Full stop.

It is unfortunate that the show in China is the same weekend. If I had of known
then I still would have made the same decision. The meeting will not have a big
affect to their show. Their show is not EC. It is not to IKGH standards and
classes. They are simply a member club. There are other shows all around the
world most weekends of the year and we can not possibly avoid all shows. My full
apologies and explanation have already been expressed and accepted by the
organisers.

I am sorry that you will not be able to attend the IKGH meeting, but I as have
stated we shall make arrangements for your opinion to be included if you wish. I
can do no more than that. If that does not satisfy you then I am sorry that
there is nothing else that can be done.

On another subject, you have not responded or mentioned your 2nd club as
requested so I assume that you do not want to register this club with the IKGH.
The fee of 30 Euro is therefore set for the two UK clubs and FGUK must pay their
dues of that amount.

Steve Elliott

IKGH President



So I ask myself, if I had realised that the meeting and the Chinese show were at
the same time, would I, could I, have made a change ? The answer is simply no.
There are other attendants who would not be able to make another time available.
Bill Galbally has no preference over other breeders.



The main offence that I take from this situation is that Bill Galbally has
deliberately forwarded a private conversation, without my knowledge and as it
took place. The only motive is an attempt at causing discourse, argument and
trouble in the IKGH and to try to get his own way.



Again I apologise to those who quite rightly simply want to keep breed and show
their guppies without political interference.



It seems that I am unable to trust Bill Galbally with any personal or private
messages. I could retaliate and cause a huge argument, but I am not prepared to
lower myself and to get into a distasteful cat fight that will not achieve or
change anything. I try to be much more honourable and professional than that.
However, I am not prepared to continue any more with this out of proportion,
disrespectful antagonistic behaviour. From this moment he is deleted from my
communications list and I will no longer respond to any of his messages. His
club ‘Fancy Guppies UK’, must find a new person to communicate to the IKGH on
their behalf. There is already another person on the list from FGUK (any member
club can have as many as they wish). With regards to the new club of Bill
Galbally, the Phoenix Guppy Club of Great Britain, they will also have to find a
new communication officer. I am satisfied that Bill Galbally is not acting or
communicating on behalf of his clubs to whom I apologise but confirm that there
is no affect on their standing in the IKGH. I also again apologise to the
Chinese International Pet Show and its organisers.

There is never any problem with constructive disagreement and discussion. Whilst
I appreciate that some breeders may be more passionate than others, deliberate
acts of divisive behaviour, disrespect and personal insults can not be condoned
or tolerated.



Steve Elliott

IKGH President


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#2

Excuse me for my performance. However, I must support Tomász on these issues. Nor did the SZCH receive an invitation to meet in

in Ausstellungen 09.09.2019 11:42
von franzpeter | 9.686 Beiträge

Excuse me for my performance. However, I must support Tomász on these
issues. Nor did the SZCH receive an invitation to meet in Norinberg. After
my question to President IKGH Steve, what was going on at IKGH I got an
answer that it was for a long time and would tell me in Bulgaria.
I do not travel to Bulgaria, but I will judge in Italy and Hungary. I
believe we'll meet Steve and answer my questions. Greetings to all breeders
and especially breeders of guppies.
jan budai
ne 8. 9. 2019 o 12:24 Harro Hieronimus/DGLZ napísal(a):

> Dear Tomasz and all other recipients,
>
>
>
> please do not correspond in this way.
>
>
>
> 1. It is not compatible with EC data protection laws to include all
> addresses into the email header. This mail is sent to you as sender and bcc
> to all others.
>
> 2. This seems to be a dispute more on a personal level. Please keep it in
> the smallest possible manner.
>
> 3. I know Steven for many years. He is a very honest guy and I appreciate
> his work. Do you remember the IKGH work before Steven started as president?
> No? That’s why there was not much. There were a few – good – shows in
> Europe and the WGC started but it was not really sustainable. The IKGH head
> surely did his best but it was very small scale work. With Steven IKGH
> became much more important for the guppy hobby and you should not ask him
> to retire as president as this would damage IKGH seriously but you should
> make reasonable proposals to solve the dispute.
>
> 4. Personally, I think the November meeting in Nürnberg should not be a
> problem. How many of the possible attendants will go to China? And I
> already wrote that the hotel prices are normal at that weekend, no fair
> prices at all like for interzoo fair.
>
>
>
> Regards Harro
>
>
>
> *Betreff:* Re: IKGH Communication
>
>
>
> Dear Steven, Dear Friends
>
>
>
> I would like to remind Steven that you are not the owner of IKGH or King
> of IKGH, but only the President, whose role should be to coordinate the
> work of the union.
>
>
>
> From the content of your message below we have learned that you are not
> able to fulfil the duties of the President, because you are not able to
> talk to IKGH members? Sad. Your words about Bill indicate that you do not
> feel like doing such work and you will not do work for all clubs, and do I
> understand correctly that we should accept this as resignation from work
> for all clubs, i.e. IKGH President? Since when, since the announcement of
> unwillingness to work for all members? So immediately?
>
>
>
> I fully support Bill's efforts to help organize IKGH. I see such a need
> and I am not satisfied with how the IKGH administration works today. Our
> club is also overlooked by the President in IKGH correspondence and after
> calls from colleagues from other clubs I know that our club is not the only
> one.
>
>
>
> The local British conflict created by Steven in England at the time of the
> creation of President Guppy Club you want to transfer to the entire IKGH -
> no thanks. Be a PGC President but don't manipulate us with your own
> conflicts using IKGH power.
>
>
>
> After the last scandal as a result of which Steven Elliot proclaimed
> himself the President of IKGH, I remind you that as convening meeting in
> Slovakia in Banská Bystrica, Steven did not inform the participants of the
> meeting about the attempt to elect himself and as the leader of the
> meeting, he did not inform the participants about the vote on who should
> administer IKGH, and then he personally acknowledged himself the position
> of IKGH President, despite the participants' objection to this way of
> conducting meetings. A correction was to be introduced at IKGH to prevent
> colleague Steven Elliot from manipulating subsequent topics related to the
> administration of IKGH and ... it turns out that the situation from the
> last meeting was no accident and colleague Steven Elliot still sends
> invitations to IKGH meetings only to a group of common interests.
>
>
>
> I remind you, during the last IKGH meeting in Slovakia in Banská Bystrica,
> we agreed that it will never happen again that IKGH meetings will be
> convened secretly by the President of IKGH, without information for anyone
> who is the recipient of the message in a manipulative manner. Steven Elliot
> has committed that all correspondence addressed to IKGH members will cease
> to be manipulated, concealed and become open and transparent to all
> members. To date, this has not been done - the information is still being
> manipulated and serves the policy of the President of IKGH. For what?
>
>
>
> I consider Bill's efforts to introduce transparent and honest IKGH conduct
> to be very necessary and right. I perceive the attacks on his person and
> the desire to depreciate these efforts as a political struggle to stay in
> the position of the President of IKGH. Sad.
>
>
>
> We currently have 45 associated clubs at IKGH, why were they not all
> informed about the date of the next meeting? How many were informed? What a
> shame that we can not trust in such a simple thing as managing
> corespondence of IKGH. What is the problem to be TRANSPARENT?
>
>
>
> As for mourning, each of us is sad that Peter is missing, I have
> repeatedly witnessed Peter defending the hurt members of IKGH but he failed
> to act because the fraudsters were on the side of Steven Elliot and guilty
> behaviour such as breaking IKGH rules stigmatized by Peter, were accepted
> by Steven. We will miss Peter very much, but he would probably be very
> happy if we were able to reform IKGH not after a few years of mourning.
>
>
>
> I do not understand this attitude of the President of IKGH and the
> manifestation of his aggression (something like this should never happen in
> public space and people who have managerial experience know it well).
> Unfortunately, Steven had no way to learn about it because for the first
> time in his life he has the ability to manage and does not use the power
> GIVEN BY US to defend members of IKGH but to manipulate, eliminate others
> and pursue his interests.
>
>
>
> What Bill asks for, Steven is the foundation of IKGH. Organizing meetings
> of members and voting at a time when another club affiliated with IKGH
> organizes its competition, knowing that IKGH members and IKGH judges will
> participate in it, shows the lack of competence of the President or his bad
> will? I am talking about the WORLD'S LARGEST AQUARISTIC show CIPS, which
> brings together the greatest interests of the aquarium world 100,000
> participants. If anyone does not know about this event should he be our
> leader? Would the competent President organize a meeting during another
> event?
>
>
>
> The IKGH meeting we agreed to make in Spring 2019, it does not have to
> take place in November 😊))))))))) from another side is the only date
> when Bill leaves Europe for CIPS 😊))))). You will understand it
> yourself, because during this meeting Steven will probably remember about
> the election 😊))))).
>
>
>
> Together with Steven's Presidency, we do not have one IKGH but a
> relationship for those who do business with the President and are on the
> correspondence list and the lower caste to which no messages are sent and
> such persons have no voice in this relationship and when they ask about the
> facts, a hatred campaign meets them including the comment Bill met. Bill
> did nothing wrong!
>
>
>
> Steven - what can we expect first, to apologize to Bill in public? or will
> you resign from the function of IKGH President, which requires working
> properly with all clubs and members?
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Tomasz Czyz
>
>
>
> Ps. I hope that all IKGH clubs are included in corespondence, if not,
> please help distrbute it to missing friends.
>
>
>
> czw., 5 wrz 2019 o 07:09 napisał(a):
>
> This message is addressed to all members of the IKGH and to Fancy Guppies
> UK, the club of Bill Galbally and several of its prominent members.
>
>
>
> First of all I apologise to everyone for the need of this message
> following the unacceptable behaviour of Bill Galbally. This is a guppy
> hobby and not one hobbyist deserves to be receiving unsolicited
> misinformation and messages, especially at this time of mourning. I am
> compelled to clarify the situation regarding emails sent by Bill Galbally
> which some of you received. I am sorry that this message is long but it is
> the only way to explain.
>
>
>
> There was a meeting last year in Slovakia to discuss and agree the rules
> of the IKGH. There were several items that we did not have time to deal
> with properly, mostly proposals for changes to the judging standards
> including, colour coding, the allocation of EC status and the training and
> education of judges. It was agreed that we would have a second meeting
> in the spring time but too many were not able to attend so it was decided
> that we would re arrange the discussion / workshop this coming November.
>
> The meeting is based upon those who attended the first meeting and some
> who showed particular interest. It is not intended as being open to all – a
> relatively smaller group would afford proper and true discussion which is
> not practical in a larger meeting. A message was sent out on the 21st
> August 2019 asking for confirmation of those who would be able to attend.
> It was requested that a reply be received by the 27th August. Most are
> willing and able to attend. There were one or two that did not respond and
> so I have been re contacting them to obtain a reply. This included Bill
> Galbally who then informed me of the show in China that takes place at the
> same time. I immediately contacted the organiser with apologies which were
> graciously accepted.
>
>
>
> On the 27th of August 2019 I had a conversation via email with Bill
> Galbally regarding the matter. Bill wants the whole event re organised so
> that he is able to attend. This is not possible. He has no consideration
> for the availability of others. What I find extremely disappointing, and
> clearly motivated with the intention of causing trouble, is that the
> conversation was sent by blind copy (ie without my knowledge), as it
> proceeded, to a select list that includes some IKGH members and not other
> IKGH Members, to none IKGH members, and private individuals who Bill
> Galbally presumably thought would support his rampage.
>
>
>
> Normally I have dealt with problems in a diplomatic and none
> confrontational way that has not involved those who do not want to be
> concerned, however on this occasion an explanation to all is necessary.
>
> I note that my final message in the conversation was not relayed as the
> previous messages were and so here is my final message for those who are
> interested.
>
>
>
> *Hello Bill. *
>
> *The date is organised and will not change. The meeting room is available
> and has been booked. A reasonable price has been agreed with the hotel if
> people want to take advantage. I for one will not be able to attend
> another weekend in November. *
>
> *Bill, there is no debate, the date is set and will not change, not even
> for one person. Full stop. *
>
> *It is unfortunate that the show in China is the same weekend. If I had
> of known then I still would have made the same decision. The meeting will
> not have a big affect to their show. Their show is not EC. It is not to
> IKGH standards and classes. They are simply a member club. There are
> other shows all around the world most weekends of the year and we can not
> possibly avoid all shows. My full apologies and explanation have already
> been expressed and accepted by the organisers. *
>
> *I am sorry that you will not be able to attend the IKGH meeting, but I as
> have stated we shall make arrangements for your opinion to be included if
> you wish. I can do no more than that. If that does not satisfy you then I
> am sorry that there is nothing else that can be done.*
>
> *On another subject, you have not responded or mentioned your 2nd club as
> requested so I assume that you do not want to register this club with the
> IKGH. The fee of 30 Euro is therefore set for the two UK clubs and FGUK
> must pay their dues of that amount.*
>
> *Steve Elliott*
>
> *IKGH President*
>
>
>
> So I ask myself, if I had realised that the meeting and the Chinese show
> were at the same time, would I, could I, have made a change ? The answer
> is simply no. There are other attendants who would not be able to make
> another time available. Bill Galbally has no preference over other
> breeders.
>
>
>
> The main offence that I take from this situation is that Bill Galbally has
> deliberately forwarded a private conversation, without my knowledge and as
> it took place. The only motive is an attempt at causing discourse,
> argument and trouble in the IKGH and to try to get his own way.
>
>
>
> Again I apologise to those who quite rightly simply want to keep breed and
> show their guppies without political interference.
>
>
>
> It seems that I am unable to trust Bill Galbally with any personal or
> private messages. I could retaliate and cause a huge argument, but I am
> not prepared to lower myself and to get into a distasteful cat fight that
> will not achieve or change anything. I try to be much more honourable and
> professional than that. However, I am not prepared to continue any more
> with this out of proportion, disrespectful antagonistic behaviour. From
> this moment he is deleted from my communications list and I will no longer
> respond to any of his messages. His club ‘Fancy Guppies UK’, must find a
> new person to communicate to the IKGH on their behalf. There is already
> another person on the list from FGUK (any member club can have as many as
> they wish). With regards to the new club of Bill Galbally, the Phoenix
> Guppy Club of Great Britain, they will also have to find a new
> communication officer. I am satisfied that Bill Galbally is not acting
> or communicating on behalf of his clubs to whom I apologise but confirm
> that there is no affect on their standing in the IKGH. I also again
> apologise to the Chinese International Pet Show and its organisers.
>
> There is never any problem with constructive disagreement and discussion.
> Whilst I appreciate that some breeders may be more passionate than others,
> deliberate acts of divisive behaviour, disrespect and personal insults can
> not be condoned or tolerated.
>
>
>
> Steve Elliott
>
> IKGH President
>
>

--
jan budai
Veľká Okružná 15
010 01 Žilina


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#3

RE: IKGH Communication

in Ausstellungen 11.09.2019 17:27
von franzpeter | 9.686 Beiträge

Dear friends,

One of the basic responsibilities of the President of IKGH is to acquire
interesting information and inform all member clubs. The President may only
suspend this information by a club that does not have a paid IKGH membership fee.
That is what the statutes of IKGH determine.

After the current President of IKGH took office, by the end of 2017 his
correspondence with the clubs had been fair and transparent. Since 2018
there has been a major turnaround.The addresses of the recipients of the
President's email correspondence have become secret. It was not possible to
find out which club received the information and which was not. Complaints
from several clubs about the lack of information from the president began to
multiply. This state of confidential addressees was justified by the
protection of personal data under EU rules. We think this justification is
just an excuse. We sent a very specific proposal to the President by e-mail
on 14.4.2019 on how to solve the situation. To ensure privacy and
transparency. No response yet.

Unfortunately, we were one of several clubs that did not receive information
about the planned IKGH meeting in Nuremberg. Therefore, we did not have the
opportunity to register at the required time. So we emailed Mr. Elliot the
question of whether there are objective reasons for such an administrative
procedure. Until today, no response from the President.

The President externally represents IKGH. Preferably, it should be the one who
guarantees and oversees that all IKGH rules and statutes are adhered to. We
believe that at least some decisions of Mr. Elliot as President during the term
were problematic. In our opinion, in a number of cases it has directly violated
the approved IKGH policy. As a justification for these decisions, one can
consider his own and individual interpretation of the IKGH rules. Previous
Presidents respected rules and did not make own interpretation of it, currently
we see the interpretation of rules made by President. As an example of some of
the disputed decisions in the past we can mention.

- Decisions on the written vote of all (including non-participating) clubs
before the IKGH meeting in r. 2018 in B. Bystrica. This caused chaotic and
non-transparent counting of votes. While only the participating clubs at the
meeting, respectively. there is an institute for the transfer of voting rights
under the IKGH rules.

- Allocation of the European Championship rounds of Guppy-couples for the
year 2019, when the EC show is not assigned to a qualified club of KPR / PL.

- Dates of IKGH exhibitions in 2019 and non-observance of intervals between
them.

- Distancing oneself from the virtual training of the IKGH judges by
designating someone as a private initiative. This, of course, marked the
participation in this training.

- The term of office of the President is 2 years. The election of the
President can be done either by voting at the meeting (as in the past) or by
e-mail. The first term of office of the President ended in 2018. I quote from his
e-mail of 28.11.2018: „No volunteers have made themselves known and there were
no proposals for anyone except for the only responses who proposed that I myself
continued. I have agreed to commit to another two years as President“.
However, the consent and commitment to perform a function is not an official
election. For this he was by e-mail vote during the meeting in November 2018, or
before or after the meeting. It follows that, since 2019, since he has not been
duly elected, Mr President is performing an illegal function.

Despite the ongoing debate, we appreciate today's unity of IKGH. Let us not
repeat the year 1996, where the escalation of the passions and unfulfilled
ambitions of some individuals created the "non-viable" EGA (European Guppy
Association), which complicated the work of IKGH for 2 years.

Best regard



Ing. Marian S t i e r a n k a

Mob.: +421 903452242

KFFE/SK



From: HWGC Club [mailto:hwgc98@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2019 7:41 PM
To: president@ikgh.net; alansbias@aol.com; 1354491103@qq.com; akguppy@dglz.de;
Anne; awajukkrzysiek@wp.pl; Denis Barbé; bjorn.lundmark@spray.se; Bodo Sikora;
b.sikora@grandcitymanagement.com; casadiguppy@live.nl; cgdcwilliam@outlook.com;
cristian.salogni@libero.it; dany.schroeder@gmx.de; direzioneggc@gmail.com;
dlwind@163.com; Hermann-Ernst Magoschitz; eddie.mcknight@nshi.co.uk; Peter Dyhr;
Liberge Fabien; Peter Eder; Gernot; guppyclub belgium; guppyjie@hotmail.com; HWGC
Club; ÖGG Info; info@mariobertocco.it; info@dglz.de; Jan Budai; Jens Bergner
DGD; joernstrahl@gmail.com; Klaus Proehl; Krzysztof Kelman; Michael Milde; Marian
Stieranka; Ralf Loch; Janusz Oziomek; Dragon HalfMoon; Peter Schaffarth;
pierangelo bragagnolo; STOWARZYSZENIE PTAT; Rainer Hartwich;
RitschiSchip@aol.com; sascha.sokolowski@gmx.de; simeonbonev@hotmail.com;
Ľubomír Šmiga; swa moris; tobiasbernsee@web.de; toist@akvariummagazin.hu;
twtgpa@gmail.com; carlstew80@hotmail.com; hancock@hancock.com.pl; René Wolff;
stephane RICHARD; nancyegelton@gmail.com; jmason3745@aol.com; Емил
Димитров; svetoslav.raev@gmail.com; jacek.ambrozkiewicz@poczta.onet.pl;
msc.sosnowski@gmail.com; Bill Galbally; museakira@gmail.com; Konôpka Miroslav;
Waldemar Kolecki; jacek.gaj@vp.pl
Subject: Re: IKGH Communication



Dear Steven, Dear Friends



I would like to remind Steven that you are not the owner of IKGH or King of IKGH,
but only the President, whose role should be to coordinate the work of the union.



>From the content of your message below we have learned that you are not able to
>fulfil the duties of the President, because you are not able to talk to IKGH
>members? Sad. Your words about Bill indicate that you do not feel like doing
>such work and you will not do work for all clubs, and do I understand correctly
>that we should accept this as resignation from work for all clubs, i.e. IKGH
>President? Since when, since the announcement of unwillingness to work for all
>members? So immediately?


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